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Collections Series - Part 1

07/27/09 posted by Doug Fuller    

Collections.  A subject close to everybody’s heart. Over the next two or three weeks, I intend to publish a number of posts discussing various aspects of collections – the status of the legal test and evolving legal strategy; debt sales and collections on charge-off accounts; additional plans for collections strategy and reporting. For the first post, I want to take a look at Prosper’s “primary collections” (Delinquency Days 31 to 121).

It is impossible to take a look at collections results without referencing the macro-economic environment in which they take place. Not to put too fine of a point on it, the current environment is the worst in decades.

In their most recent report, American Express announced an annualized charge-off greater than 10% (more than double what it was at year end 2007). In one of the lead presentations at last week’s convention of ACA Internation,

 Kaulkin Ginsberg stated that the average liquidation of fresh delinquencies has declined by 55%-60% between 1Q07 and 1Q09 (for more information on Kaulkin Ginsberg see www.kaulkin.com – the power of their presentation can be found at http://kaulkin.com/files/KGC-Creative-Winning-Strategies_7-14-091.pdf).

With that as a backdrop, the following table takes a look at several statistics for Prosper accounts that reached 31 days past due. To explain why I picked the months shown – February 2007 was the first month where the number of new delinquencies exceed 200 accounts; September 2007 was my first full month at Prosper, March 2008 was the first full month of placements at AmSher and March 2009 is the last month for which we have complete primary data (an account reaching 31 days in March will have had time to charge off).

 

Placed

% High CG

% Low Bal

% BK

% Cured

% Payer

$/Acct

Feb 2007

202

5%

79%

2%

21%

27%

 $  142.39

Sep 2007

316

13%

62%

5%

26%

33%

$   201.43

Mar 2008

293

21%

56%

8%

27%

40%

 $  251.79

Mar 2009

391

40%

51%

9%

29%

43%

 $  205.97

 

Notes:  
1.  % High Credit Grade = % of Accounts of AA/A/B
2.  % Low Balance = % of Accounts with Monthly Payment < $200

I include the mix variables of %High Credit Grade and % Low Balance to characterize differences in the placement populations. Not surprisingly, a low balance is easier to collect than a high balance. Conversely, it may be counterintuitive, but “good accounts” that go delinquent are more likely to go all the way bad than marginal accounts. This is why the AmEx charge-off rate has been harder hit in this recession than HSBC or WaMu (before they were bought by Chase).

I’m pleased with the fact that we’ve actually been able to improve the percentage of accounts on which we receive some collections payment. Truth be told, the “$/Acct” figure is the one that I focus on the most. We’re down 18% year over year – while much better than the 35-40% quoted in the Kaulin presentation – this is tied to people with payments in the $400-600 range seeming to “give up” sooner. We’re working on a test program to try to address this issue.

So what’s the bottom-line, am I satisfied with our collections?  No. 

Do I think AmSher doing a good job for us?  Yes. 

Where will we be a year from now? My goal is to have the $/Acct over $300 – if the economy really starts to improve, that shouldn’t too hard and I’ll up the goal. If the economy stays flat, it could be a challenge.


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48 Responses


Kevin Andrews | July 28th, 2009 at 6:27 pm

Thank You for addressing this issue that has come up as we have started loaning money as an investment strategy. I look forward to more posts on this issue.


Bob | July 28th, 2009 at 6:36 pm

Glad to hear that the average liquidation of fresh delinquencies has declined by 55%-60% between 1Q07 and 1Q09.


Eric | July 28th, 2009 at 6:55 pm

Agreed, thank you for the data. I’ve been following this particular issue myself quite closely, although not the exact same numbers you are (probably). Personally, I don’t think it’s going to get better AT LEAST in the next 6 months. As long as large layoffs month after month are occurring we aren’t coming out of this abyss. However, I was quite relieved to see that there are much more stringent requirements for borrowers (and lenders) following the SEC filing. I look forward to your next post.


John Palacios | July 28th, 2009 at 7:09 pm

I think it’s a bunch of bullsh_t that you changed the lenders account page to hide information regarding losses. You make it harder now to track daily intrest accrual, and net profit after losses and expenses.


Mike | July 28th, 2009 at 7:13 pm

Over all, I have been very disappointed with the collection rate - regardless of the reason. I believe the borrowers were too highly rated by Prosper when they applied for the loan. I trusted these ratings too much.


ABCDE75093 | July 28th, 2009 at 7:43 pm

It’s definitely comforting to learn Prosper had learned to tighten the requirements on borrowers and lenders. Some uninformed lenders had, in the past, unreasonably lowered the interest rates even on high risk borrowers. Sadly but hopefully this economic crunch eliminates some of these lenders for the better being of remaining lenders. Debts are uncollectible when debtors become uncontactable. What is Prosper doing on this front as cautionary measure? Thanks!


Prosper Blog | July 28th, 2009 at 7:47 pm

We are working on the Account Page. We agree it needs work.


dirk p | July 28th, 2009 at 7:59 pm

Wouldn’t a quiet period of no new loans have an effect on stats??? to post something so senseless doesn’t really excite me, sorry. Of course when lending stops for a year delinquencies will slow and eventually stop, so do the early payoffs and term payoffs slow and eventually stop.


gary rem | July 28th, 2009 at 8:01 pm

great to hear the tighter regulations on new accounts, was taking a little bit of a hit on charge-offs. can’t wait to get back into lending with prosper. any word about Arizona?


Adolfo | July 28th, 2009 at 8:01 pm

I am extremely disappointed with the way collections are being handled. I don’t think AmSher has been able to collect anything for me. I was working directly with a couple of borrowers in order to persuade them to try to catch up, and it was actually working, but then I contacted a couple more and I then got slapped by prosper, telling me that I should not be contacting the lenders, so I stopped doing it. If it is not acceptable to contact your borrowers, why even allow you to contact them in the first place? To make friends and talk about the weather? That is just ridiculous.

The end result in this story? The majority of my loans are now marked as charge-offs, with no payment activity on any of them. Tightening the requirements, although a good step, does not really buy me anything. Why keep on investing if I really don’t see any collection effort being made? If AmSher is really doing something for me, I have no visibility on it, and the fear that prosper can at any time sell my notes for pennies on the dollar has me quite worried.


Judy | July 28th, 2009 at 8:40 pm

Thank you for the information. The people I have loaned to pay regularly and have relatively poor credit scores, with one exception. My only delinquency was an A, lived frugally, and had been employed for decades with a good salary. She was indebted because of unreimbursed health care expenses. I can’t help but be more concerned about her than the $30. I suspect I am not a good capitalist.


s turner | July 28th, 2009 at 9:38 pm

Thanks for the update.


Dick Gement | July 29th, 2009 at 6:17 am

How do I get documentation that I can use for tax purposes of losses?


Shane White | July 29th, 2009 at 6:56 am

I wound not be opposed to a feature of Prosper to allow us as lenders to control how aggressive the collection efforts are. I would also be open to options such as deferment, rate reduction, or even forgiveness of debts. Its my money. If I want to do that then I should be able to. My thinking is that if the borrowers know we have control over our money then they might talk to us and let us know what is going on.


ed | July 29th, 2009 at 7:46 am

yes your charts and grafs are nice. what are you doing to collect the over do loams ? maybe get a little more aggresive?


Susan | July 29th, 2009 at 7:46 am

Thanks for the info - I’m glad you’re working on these things. But I’m not a banker or statistician - I need some more detailed explanation of what your chart means - what the heck is %BK ? And %CG? Are we looking at numbers of accounts or dollars? Please have a layman review your presentations for understandability!

Meanwhile, I too am skeptical and have been weaning myself out of Prosper because the “quiet period” made me feel excluded, helpless, and at risk. Also current economic conditions cause me to think that loads of unverified, unemployed people will be applying for loans. I’m outta here until unemployment gets back to normal levels.


NewHorizon | July 29th, 2009 at 8:39 am

When researching historic loan performance data, how can one distinguish between the charged-off loan that is truly dead vs the charged-off loan where, for example, the borrower continues to make interest-only payments?


Gail Valence | July 29th, 2009 at 8:54 am

I think you should advise us how to handle delinquent accounts come tax time. What is considered lost as far as investments concerned? It seems that in these trying times even the A and B borrowers are becoming delinquent.


Matt | July 29th, 2009 at 9:23 am

dirk p brings up a great point. Was the fact that there haven’t been any new loan activity in almost a year have an impact on the number of delinquencies? I would like to hear a response from the Prosper Blog.


James Ackerman | July 29th, 2009 at 9:59 am

Write offs are a risk I take. Its the two loans I have made where they have never made a single payment. I consider that fraud. Not sure how they get by the initial check but I realize that they will never pay collections. Really wish that criminal charges would be sought in these cases. Especially when the loan amount is over $10,000. I would be very willing to give up to half of my loan to seek charges (even if I were given the option of paying something extra)
James Ackerman
jimmersnewemail@yahoo.com


James Ackerman | July 29th, 2009 at 10:10 am

I left previous comment but forgot
I would like to be able to email my accts that are current and on time. Thanking them for their continued prompt payment. Realizing times are difficult (for both loaner and borrower) that as a person that took them for their word, it is very rewarding that they have honored that faith.
James Ackerman
jimmersnewemail@yahoo.com


Rich McDow | July 29th, 2009 at 10:15 am

I appreciate you informing us of the overall collection conditions at Prosper. You also offer suggestions to help reduce our exposure and your efforts in collecting and reducing future loans from developing to a collection condition.

Your chart is informative but a little difficulit to fully understand. For example does $/Acct mean the average delinquency amount or the loss?


Sergio | July 29th, 2009 at 10:24 am

Thank you for putting in the time and research, but I have lost all confidence in borrowers actually paying the loans. I diversified the money that I lent out to people with credit ratings ranging from AA, A, B, & C and one by one these ratings have disappointed me with defaults on loans. I basically blew $300 to learn why these borrowers don’t go to banks and why banks don’t lend to them. FDIC is the only investment I trust.


Prosper Blog | July 29th, 2009 at 10:47 am

Some of our Lenders have asked for an explanation of the chart in this blog post -

% BK are the portion of accounts that filed for Bankruptcy (making them uncollectable). The key is the significant increase that occurred between 2007 and 2008/9.

The % High CG is the portion of accounts (not balance or delinquency dollars) that were in Credit Grades AA, A or B. When high credit grade accounts go bad, they tend to be much worse than lower credit grade accounts – as such, they are less collectible.

The $/Acct column tells the average amount collected per account during the time that they are in Primary Collections (maximum span is 90 days – DPD 31 to 120 – it is less if the account cures).


Prosper Blog | July 29th, 2009 at 10:55 am

A few months ago, Prosper implemented a “hardship” program. Under this program, if a borrower proactively contacts Prosper, we will agree to a short term reduced payment. In exchange for faithfully making these agreed payments, Prosper maintains the borrowers “Current” rating in credit bureau reporting. We waive no interest or fees under this program. Unfortunately, there is no way to identify accounts in the program (other than the fact that they are making payments) in the current system. We are working to resolve that. This program and its results are scheduled to be the topic of a “Collection Update” in the very near future.


Prosper Blog | July 29th, 2009 at 11:16 am

Please note: Prosper does not provide tax advice. Each taxpayer’s situation is unique; please consult your tax advisor for more information.

Charge-offs and gross proceeds from any bad debt sale to a third party will be reported to lenders in a year-end lender statement, and debt sales will be filed on tax form 1099-B. Using the loan principal balance before sale and the sale amount, lenders can calculate their net amount of loss for the year. Lenders are encouraged to consult their tax advisor to determine their tax basis on loans sold to debt buyers.

Delinquent (late) loans which have not yet been sold to a debt buyer will have no impact upon taxes until further action on these loans takes place.


Prosper Blog | July 29th, 2009 at 11:18 am

We are committed to having a vibrant discussion on the blog and respond as quickly as possible to your questions. Unfortunately we were unable to communicate with our Lenders and Borrowers during the quiet period. As we are no longer in a nation-wide quiet period, we may now write to our Lenders. We are relieved that this is now the case. Stay tuned for more information, and as always we appreciate constructive and open dialogue in order to ensure we have an involved community of Lenders and Borrowers.


Lifesavings | July 29th, 2009 at 12:32 pm

Two of five of my loans went into collections after only a few months. One was an AA credit rating the other an A. If a bank were getting this rate of loan failure, it would not be in business very long. I wonder if there is some flaw in how the borrowers are being evaluated.

I am glad that the new loan minimum amount was reduced to $25.00 for better diversification. I will try a few more loans and see if things get any better.


Prosper Blog | July 29th, 2009 at 12:33 pm

There are ways to communicate to the Borrowers. We thank you for wanting to write to those Borrowers who are current.

Please review our policies on Communicating with Prosper Members at http://www.prosper.com/policies/everyone-contacting_members.aspx as well as the Prohibited Activities section of your Lender Registration Agreement prior to initiating contact with member borrowers.

When logged in to your Prosper account you may send a message to a member by clicking the Contact member link from their Member Profile page.


EKB-Finance | July 29th, 2009 at 12:42 pm

Wow,

thanks for the input but your graph is hard to undertand. Please explain what the collomb titles mean. You started but there are some holes.

Anyway, divesication and time is my strategy. I find a loan and put some money in it not all my money :) then I wait till I get it back since I don’t want to limit my losses if / when they come.

Yea, the ecomony is bad and I’m taking SOME of my little investment back to use to pay for stuff. You see the economy is not good for me either.

I will be back though to reinvest up to my limit and I feel good that I can help and be helped.

I want to learn more about risk so I’ll try to be back to see what you all are saying but I haven’t been able to log into my account :(…


Prosper Blog | July 29th, 2009 at 2:11 pm

Our delinquencies do not in actual fact get better because of the quiet period. Quite the opposite. When bringing in no new loans to offset the losses on the older vintages our loss ratio increases. This is why newer portfolios have lower losses – it is a fact of seasoning. As loans get older it is likely that some will default. This is why we suggest our Lenders diversify their portfolios over many smaller loans as opposed to larger amounts in fewer loans.


ABCDE75093 | July 29th, 2009 at 2:34 pm

An alternative strategy would be smaller number of QUALITY loans instead of large quantities of questionable loans….Just look at the subprime mess!


EKB-Finance | July 29th, 2009 at 2:39 pm

I appologize for the column discription request. I don’t so the blog thing much and didn’t know that there were messages below.

Anyway, I’ll be a small diverse lender. I’ll also be fair to borrowers and myself by not getting greedy with my money…

We Can Do IT :)

EKB


NewHorizon | July 29th, 2009 at 3:02 pm

“Just look at the subprime mess!”

True dat.
CDOs - the more you owned the better off you were?

Let’s say all A-rated loans ever originated averages out to X% ROI. Diversification doesn’t mean you’ll do better than this. It only means you’re increasing your odds that you’ll do no worse nor no better than X%. And diversifying even more makes it even more likely that you’ll never stray from X%.


ABCDE75093 | July 31st, 2009 at 12:06 pm

Smart and long term lendes will ikely stay true to his/her personal plan of varied ROI at different risk levels. Lending at the same interest rate disregard of risk is simply looking for trouble. That’s why higher risk ends up with higher interest rates.

Lenders should participate in loans that meet not only $ and % requirements but also reason.


EKB-Finance | July 31st, 2009 at 4:25 pm

HI,

I’m sure that some of my loans will go into default (”X%”) that’s the nature of the lending beast and why we lend money at what rate vs. risk… Therefore, I don’t risk a lot of my money I have a small ammount that I put into risk here so I can help with you and not lose my short term or long term goals.

This way I can diversify my lending, help my neighboors and make some money. I feel rich here but I’m only juggling (sp:) 1 or 2 hundred dollers.


Linda | July 31st, 2009 at 4:49 pm

Thank you for this discussion. Thank you also for giving more explanation of terms in the blog since the essay was published.

I appreciate your efforts to keep improving.

Like Mr. Ackerman, I had wanted some months ago to write to my borrowers, thanking them. It seems to me that a little bit of personal touch can remind them that they are borrowing from a person, not a machine or institution. And hopefully, we’re working together for their benefit and mine. But I read the rules, and then was uncertain as to whether a simple, short, professional type thanks would be acceptable. So I did not write.

In reading your Prosperblog response, it appears that it would have been acceptable. Is that correct?


Prosper Blog | July 31st, 2009 at 5:13 pm

“Like Mr. Ackerman, I had wanted some months ago to write to my borrowers, thanking them. It seems to me that a little bit of personal touch can remind them that they are borrowing from a person, not a machine or institution. And hopefully, we’re working together for their benefit and mine. But I read the rules, and then was uncertain as to whether a simple, short, professional type thanks would be acceptable. So I did not write.

In reading your Prosperblog response, it appears that it would have been acceptable. Is that correct?”

Yes that is correct.


Wes Kerner | August 1st, 2009 at 2:48 pm

Doug:

Thanks for the Prosper Blog but it would be helpful for me if you defined the acronyms, ie; ACA, AmSher, CG, BK, HSBC, WaMu etc. I was able to understand most but I would suggest you identify at the first mention, such as WaMu (Washington Mutual) etc.

Thanks;

Wes


Paul | August 3rd, 2009 at 11:16 am

Has anyone actually received any money from a charge-off? I have 2 loans that have been “in collection” status for over a year. My guess is that I will not see one red cent of any ‘collection effort’.


Prosper Blog | August 3rd, 2009 at 11:50 am

Wes:

Clarification for the acronyms -
ACA is the acronym used by The Association of Credit and Collection Professions (it used to be call the American Collectors Association)

AmSher is AmSher Collections Agency

CG – is credit grade

BK – is bankruptcy

HSBC is HSBC the bank


jude | August 4th, 2009 at 1:35 pm

Recent comments are disconcerting. It appears that there hasn’t been a single lender that has received a collections payment.

Would you plead provide the statistics. I won’t loan until I see something that suggests that there have been at least some positive collections.


Prosper Blog | August 4th, 2009 at 3:27 pm

Jude:

The blog post refers to %Payers - collection payments are being made. You can review the table in the blog post. Addditionally Doug Fuller references repayments in the comments below. which are also in the post.

“I include the mix variables of %High Credit Grade and % Low Balance to characterize differences in the placement populations. Not surprisingly, a low balance is easier to collect than a high balance. Conversely, it may be counterintuitive, but “good accounts” that go delinquent are more likely to go all the way bad than marginal accounts. This is why the AmEx charge-off rate has been harder hit in this recession than HSBC or WaMu (before they were bought by Chase).

I’m pleased with the fact that we’ve actually been able to improve the percentage of accounts on which we receive some collections payment. Truth be told, the “$/Acct” figure is the one that I focus on the most. We’re down 18% year over year – while much better than the 35-40% quoted in the Kaulin presentation – this is tied to people with payments in the $400-600 range seeming to “give up” sooner. We’re working on a test program to try to address this issue.”


Linda | August 4th, 2009 at 3:55 pm

What is “liquidation of fresh delinquencies”? (Mentioned in Bob’s post, July 28) What does it mean to liquidate a delinquency?


Fred93 | August 13th, 2009 at 1:49 am

Can you explain the %payer and $/account columns?
How are these calculated. The text doesn’t say.


Prosper Blog | August 13th, 2009 at 10:17 am

@Fred93

The % Payer are the number of accounts (from the population of “Placed”) that make a payment during the collection period from DPD 31 to 121.

The $/Acct is the total dollars collected divided by the “placed” number.


Mike Massey | September 17th, 2009 at 7:50 pm

I would like to see a summary of Amsher’s collection activities on my individual past due loans.

My experience continues to be that the payments I receive on past due accounts is no greater with Amsher collecting their fee than they would be without collection effort.

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